Adler and Myers set to debate

I thought he was running for Congress in the 3rd District of NJ. Maybe he expects to get a boost in the polls by traveling to Denver? 

He needs a boost - all the reports coming out of his campaign is the panic that came in when the polls showed him down after more than $600k was spent by him and his surrogates. 

New management won't, however, change the fact that Adler is running for Congress outside of Cherry Hill. 

Adler gets blown away in Ocean County and Burlington will go with their own - not some liberal lawyer/Trenton politician from Norcross Country who votes continuously against suburban interests (i.e. the new COAH regs which are already raising taxes and stifling business growth). 

Adler's only chance of winning a Congressional seat is to move Andrew's district and get the blessings of his mentor to run there.

My question is whether Myers, who is down by a 10-1 fundraising deficit and prone to verbal gaffes (the economy is "basically strong," we just have to make it "look" like we are winning in Iraq, etc.) will actually take a stance on national issues instead of pedaling his straw-man arguments and vapid brand of politics. (He's against everything, yet refuses to make his stance on SCHIP or the Iraq War clear).

In debating Adler, Myers is going up against an expert orator who is competent on the issues, unlike, some might say, Myers. At least Myers will get a few people tto come out and see him in a public forum, which would be a marked difference from the apathy that has greeted his campaign, and the few people who show up to his 1 or 2 townhall forums.

I keep hearing that Adler will win Burlington County and that the Ocean Republicans are so fed up with Myers that they're going to give away Ocean to put one of their own candidates up in 2010.

And people keep telling me that Myers still has zero endorsements

Andy-
I'm not sure if it entails panic or not, but he did fire his Campaign Manager a few weeks ago, which is a pretty major decision. And Martin, there were over a hundred people at the Moorestown Town Hall with Zimmer. You don't have a dog in this fight anyway, but I guess being forced to vote for a Norcross is a pretty tough pill to swallow and you could use the distraction.

Tinker Bell is got at swallowing - pills. Or Kool Aid. Anyway, he speaks from his poterior because he hopes one of his lies will stick. The little girl from Kansas who cried wolf. But he must be thinking about the 20 or so folks who showed up to Adler's last town hall meeting in the OC. In Tink's mind 20 is a lot, while 100 is a few. Independent OC - you are sorely mistaken and misinformed. The etsbalishment has come out in support of Myers and your theory on 2010 is better fodder for an Oliver Stone epic. Redistricting will be rough on Gilmore as he will not be redistricting chair any longer. If NJ loses a seat, all bets are off and Gilmore will never get an Ocean County seat. As a result, 2010 will not be a good year to wait for no matter what anyone says.

Adler is in Denver because he is an elected delegate representing the people of his district.

"Myers has coffers and I am sure more will come out." LOL, This that suppose to be a joke? Because seriously, I am laughing at loud. If Myers can't raise money in the prime fundraising months, you think he has any shot raising money in July and August, the two worst months to raise money in during the entire year?

If you really want to contribute to Chris Myers just write a check to his Myers for State Senate 2009 account...

Now would you like to refute the notion that Chris Myers is a bad speaker prone to excessive sweating and verbal gaffes while John Adler connects with and inspires voters?

Would you like to refute the notion that no groups that previously endorsed Saxton are now endorsing Adler, and not Myers?

Would you like to tell me that the VFW has endorsed Myers when it hasn't?

Ocean County has no desire to see Myers win any race, ever. Anyone who says otherwise probably works for the Myers campaign. Jack Kelley's people are still very angry.

Does it surprise you that a Republican politician in a Republican county publicly backed his Republican rival from a town over, even though he probably secretly doesn't want him to win?

Of course Kelly and his people have publicly backed Myers, they would have looked terrible and petty if they hadn't. Does not mean they are legitimately trying to bring about a Myers victory.

And for the record, I would rather spell Jack Kelly's name wrong than simple words like "forst" and "Auagust." Glass houses, my friend.

Second, I've heard nothing good about Myers finances. Didn't he loan $50,000 to his own campaign? Sounds pretty terrible to me. People don't want to donate to a losing campaign.

Isn't anyone going to tell me that Myers is a good speaker when he sweats and makes all these verbal gaffes? Can someone find one endorsement from a group that used to support Myers?

Do you mean the Adler poll that shows Adler down by double digits? The reason he did a major management shift? That losing campaign?

No doubt that there are some in OC that are pissed off as a result of the primary. But the rank and file barely knew Kelly so certainly they are not pissed and will continue to vote R. Gilmore is out raising money along with the legislative leaders of OC so the leadership is not pissed. The entire county will come out for McCain and Myers.

Bottom-line, Adler will have more money then Myers (Adler has been raising it for a lot longer and did not have a primary) but not enough to turn OC and BC in his corner. Not going to happen.

As for the endorsements, I can’t speak to that as it is not something I normally care about. But my guess is this – Adler is a sitting state senator and chairman of the Judiciary Committee. If I am a state organization, is that someone I really want to piss off? Probably not. Everyone knows that the Adler/Norcross team exacts revenge on those that do not fall in line. Not so much an endorsement as it is bullying.

Again – someone show me how a Cherry Hill liberal lawyer and Trenton insider will win over the strong Republican demographics of OC and BC? His votes on COAH? His vote against teaching veterans issue on Veteran’s Day?

Ain’t gonna happen.

Can someone please explain to me why this state tollerates the same tired pols who contributed to the mess this state is in. If they didn't contribute, they certainly didn't do anything to stop it. At least Myers has the inteligence to stand up to the COAH mandate mess that is draining our wallets and moving this state more towards communisim everyday. As a property owner, I not only have to support my family, buy I have to support someone else's by providing them housing. Isn't this what the federal government (HUD) is responsible for. Enough with these pols redistributing my wealth to individuals who have no shame holding their hands out for warped entitlments.

When abetternjnow talks about pretend poll results should we be actually worried or just pretend to be worried.

Kudos to the oc for realizing that despite the fact that he knows very little about campaign finance he should talk volumes about it. Federal candidates are are only allowed to transfer a maximum amount from other accounts. I believe it's around 180k. Which in reality is about the same amount of debt+loans from himself that Myers has.

Regardless, the biggest margin was in 2nd Quarter, which was mostly post primary. Adler didn't have a longer 2nd Quarter. Just a much more productive one.

Then, after going down a path of misunderstandings you made a sharp turn into the outrageous and outlandish. Trying to argue that July and August aren't dead months is the political equivalent of yelling at the sky to be blue. You aren't accomplishing anything and you're making yourself look bad.

Play the expectations game a little better. Don't try to convince us that Myers will raise a lot in July and August because no one does so you're only going to make all the Myers supporters even more disappointed.

Myers had only a couple of donors from Ocean County in the critical 2nd Quarter. It embarassed Myers both financially and politically. The public acts two ways through their votes and their wallets. Ocean hasn't supported Myers with their wallets in the way he's needed it so to expect them to with their votes is just another delusion in Myers La La Land.

There's a sinking ship in the 3rd district, and that is the Chris Myers for state senate, err, Congress campaign. Myers has been hampered from multiple campaign mini-disasters, from Sagnip embarrassing himself at the first press conference to verbal gaffes about the economy to losing the endorsement of every organization thus far that supported Saxton. With no support from the NRCC, hardly any volunteers, an apathetic response from the public, and having to keep his campaign barely afloat with a 50k personal loan, Myers must feel lonely and abandoned.

I love how abetternj analyzes the race thusly: Adler can win Cherry Hill "but not enough to turn OC and BC in his corner." Give me a break. This is a district that now has an 11k Democratic advantage, and this is such an anti-Republican year that Myers can't even put the word "Republican" on his flyers or website, let alone acknowledge Bush, even though he gave $500 to Bush-Cheney in a previous election cycle. Myers can't even afford to open a campaign office in OC, and he has done so poorly in fundraising that he can barely afford to keep his web site running, in all probability. Yet according to Myers' apologists, this third-tier candidate is going to win against Adler, despite having a 10-1 financial disadvantage. Wishful thinking, indeed.

Is it any wonder that the Pindell Report, a local analysis, rated this race not "toss up," not "leans Democratic," but instead "Likely Democratic"? And what do you think is going to happen to Mayor Myers when he can't pull lame political stunts as he did at the affordable housing signing in Mt. Laurel, and instead actually has to debate federal issues (something Myers isn't well-versed in, to put it mildly) against someone as talented as Adler?

I would like you to cite the poll you keep referring to. Do you even know the name of the former campaign manager? I'm pretty sure he wasn't the kind of person who would cry over a beer.

Anyway, I have no problem believing a quality Republican candidate could beat a Democrat, unfortunately, there is no quality Republican candidate here. Myers can't speak well, makes embarrassing verbal gaffes, can't land an endorsement, and can't raise any money.

All he can do is complain about his lack of attention and bloggers and blame Adler for everything. Quality guy.

As much as you complain about Trenton, the real issue in this race is Washington. Camden, Burlington, and Ocean County voters are mostly fed up with one thing above all else: Bush.

It's more like Myers can't win, unless he switches parties and views and learns how to speak.

Figures you cannot disucss my points the fake OC. Keep dodging. I am the furthest thing from angry. Additionally, I am the furthest thing from a campaign staffer for Chris Myers. Never have, never will. I have a good job and don't need it. But I will support him 100%. Your claims that Adler and Myers are on equal footing with regards to the ability to raise funds is ridiculous. Adler has been running for a federal office for FIVE years. He has had a campaign committee open since 2003 for the Senate which he tranfered to his House account which assisted him in netting 1 million in a quarter. Check the FEC reports. Or would you rather not so you can continue to believe the bs you are spewing? Additionally, since when is raising nearly 700k before the primary not being capable of raising money? As for the endorsements, enjoy that very important Regional (sorry) Recreational Fishing Alliance endorsement. Will come back to haunt you and the RFA. Already has. Two groups have already left the RFA. And there will be more.

So Myers has raised $576,550 total, plus a $50,000 loan from himself. Myers has $155,407 on hand.

Adler has raised$1,918,172, none of it a loan from himself. Adler has $1,463,747 on hand.

The ratio of the amount of cash on hand is $9.41 Adler for every $1 Myers has. Weird.

You keep saying that Myers raised more than $600,000 before the primary, yet he hasn't even raised more than $600,000 total.

This is all from the FEC reports you asked me to check.

You still seem pretty angry? You should try punching a pillow or talking to someone about your anger. Or deep breathing. Google anger management. Or even "Serenity Now."

For everyone else, if Myers thinks he's ahead in some imaginary polls, he has a rude awakening coming to him.

Go look at the FEC reports yourself, the oc

Adler raised
239k in September 07
60k in Oct 07
58k in Nov 07
279k in Dec 07
47k in Jan 08
64k in Feb 08
431k in mar 08
142k in Apr 08
249k in May 08
348k in June 08

That adds up to 1.9 million.
The OC says Adler raised his money over 5 years.
The facts say Adler raised his money since he started running.

Who can you trust, the blathering idiot or the facts?

I never said ANYTHING about Adler loaning himself a dime. Read the posts Forrest Gump. Let me break out the pop up book for you so you can follow along. You said - Myers campaign bad cuz he loan himself $50, tousand bucks. I say - what difference tween Myers $50,tousand dollars and Senator Frank loaning him campaign $3 million bucks? You say - you dummy der is a $180, tousand limit to loan. I say - here is da FEC rule stating der is no limit. Follow that Forrest? I never said a thing about Adler loaning himself money. I stated that he had a campaign account iopen for 5 years and transferred the account (Senate) to his Hosue account. Read the posts before responding or at least have the guts to say "I don't get it."

Now for the fake OC and burlcoblue - the moron twins. Apparently you did not look up the facts as you reported. As you will see through June 30, 2008 Myers raised $626,548 in 6 months. He wasn't a declared candidate until January 2008 - so do the math - June is the Sixth Month of the year. If january is the First Month of the year, how many month is the Sixth Month of the year? The line - cut and pasted form the FEC website reads: As of June 30, 2008

H8NJ03172 MYERS, CHRIS
House
New Jersey
3
Republican Party Challenger

Total Receipts: $626,548

Or:
New Jersey

Net Receipts Through
MYERS, CHRIS 3 $626,548 06/30/2008

Morons!

The fake OC gets a gold star for actually comprehending how to read an FEC report. Congratulations. Now if you could only figure out how to read someone else's FEC report we may be getting somewhere.

You yelled about how Adler was raising for 5 years, which is why he has so much more.

I stated that Adler had a Senate account, which he transferred around 200k from, the maximum allowed. The rest he's raised since Sept 07.

You tried to argue, in many more words than needed since it was incorrect that there is no max because Lautenberg loaned himself 3 million when I was clear that Adler loaned himself 0 and transferred from another account.

Now you're upset because you made an erroneous analogy that I called you out on.

Regardless of your tempermental nature, the fact remains Adler raised 1.8 million from Sept 07-June 08 because people like him and want him to win.

the Fake oc - I get that Myers loaned himself $50,000. Once again read my posts. I stated it. You claim the FEC states he had net receipts of $576,550. That is wrong. Plan and simple. He has according to the FEC receipt which I cut and pasted totaling the amount I mentioned. My question for you which I asked originally and you have thus far refused to answer, what makes him any different than the individuals who loaned themselves more to their campaigns? Lautenberg loans himself $3 million over the years. Shulman? Vas? I am more than happy to have a candidate believe in his or her campaign enough to invest in it. But your soublestandard takes the cake. Additionally your revisionist history with the facts and numbers is disturbing.

Reread your posts. You never mentioned Adler's Senate campaign. I did. You never mentioned he had been raising fund since 2003, I did. Stop lying now that you have been caught. Get back to your intern job at the campaign. YOU claimed there was a phanthom maximum amount of 180,000 that can be loaned or tarnsfered. Where you pulled that number out of is anyone's guess. I showed you the FEC regs which stated there is no personal limit to candidate loans to their campaigns - which was the original point to the posts Forrest. I never mentioned Adler loaning himself a dime. Yet again, you state that I am "incorrect" despite me presenting facts. For the record, where did you state in the following post you made any of the bs you just spewed? There is no mention of Adler's 2003 account or the amount he transfered yet you claim you mentioned it. Stop lying.

"Kudos to the oc for realizing that despite the fact that he knows very little about campaign finance he should talk volumes about it. Federal candidates are are only allowed to transfer a maximum amount from other accounts. I believe it's around 180k. Which in reality is about the same amount of debt+loans from himself that Myers has.

Regardless, the biggest margin was in 2nd Quarter, which was mostly post primary. Adler didn't have a longer 2nd Quarter. Just a much more productive one.

Then, after going down a path of misunderstandings you made a sharp turn into the outrageous and outlandish. Trying to argue that July and August aren't dead months is the political equivalent of yelling at the sky to be blue. You aren't accomplishing anything and you're making yourself look bad.

Play the expectations game a little better. Don't try to convince us that Myers will raise a lot in July and August because no one does so you're only going to make all the Myers supporters even more disappointed.

Myers had only a couple of donors from Ocean County in the critical 2nd Quarter. It embarassed Myers both financially and politically. The public acts two ways through their votes and their wallets. Ocean hasn't supported Myers with their wallets in the way he's needed it so to expect them to with their votes is just another delusion in Myers La La Land."

Still wrong. Still loud. The OC tops himself once again. You spent all that time writing about Lautenberg when it's not applicable. He loaned himself personal funds. Adler has loaned himself $0 in personal funds.

All the analysts covering NJ-3 have been moving it as more likely to go Democrat since the primary so what reports are you referring to that there is panic at the Adler camp. All things I read about have been quite positive.

So my question is, do you have some actual evidence you can link to or show us that backs up what you said about there being panic at the Adler camp?

None of posts mentioned a Senate account, the fact that he has been raising money since 2003 or that he transferred funds from one account to another. The campaign needs you to get back to work.

You are not Forrest Gump. Andy the Intern is the one I was speaking to. You got the gold star for helping Andy the intern figure out that money was transferred by Adler from one account to another. And thank you for verifying my point - TOTAL RECEIPTS $626,550 you may want to play games with words, but I don't. He has raised - total from all sources which includes personal loans - $626,550. You still have not answered my question which was my original response to your quote that Myers campaign was "terrible" for loaning himself $50k. Figured you wouldn't answer it.