May 29, 2008 - 10:07pm
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For all Andrews's expertise, political scientists say he had to knock out champion

Both sides spun hard after tonight’s Democratic Senate Primary debate on 101.5 FM, each trying to depict the other as inconsistent and deceptive.

But while experts - including U.S. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) himself in the midst of the radio scrap - agree that U.S. Rep. Rob Andrews (D-1) is a formidable debater and was tonight, at no time during the hour and a half long forum just days prior to the June 3 primary did the senator deep-six himself.

"I thought Andrews acquitted himself very well and if this was an open seat he’d be odds on favorite," said Prof. Patrick Murray of Monmouth University. "Lautenberg acted annoyed that anyone was challenging him. While Andrews focused on detail, Lautenberg wanted to avoid answering questions directly."

Prof. Brigid Harrison of Montclair State University read it the same way.

"Clearly when you consider Congressman Andrews’s rhetorical style and the level of specificity, he did very well," said Harrison.

"You had to be impressed by his command of the facts and his ability to articulate his positions," she said of Andrews. "But Sen. Lautenberg has never been a public speaker with a great deal of finesse. I don’t think we saw anything tonight that we wouldn’t have seen in a debate performance of 20 years ago."

The Andrews campaign expressed confidence, however, that their candidate had sufficiently drilled Lautenberg, particularly when the senator attempted to talk about his record on the War in Iraq, an issue Lautenberg has used throughout the seven-week contest to neutralize Andrews.

"He blatantly misrepresented his staunch support for the Iraq War, casting himself as an opponent when, in fact, he repeatedly voiced his support for the invasion both before his election in 2000 and in the months after he returned to the Senate," Andrews campaign chairman Michael Murphy said of the senator.

"When challenged by Rob Andrews on his statements supporting President Bush’s war policy, Sen. Lautenberg had the audacity to say that his statements were ‘just words’," Murphy added.

Despite the senator’s retreat when Andrews pressed him about his public statements from 2002, ultimately Lautenberg’s camp was delighted to continue to keep the focus on the Iraq War.

After the debate, Lautenberg supporter U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone (D-6) released a statement savaging Andrews’s plans for the embattled Middle Eastern country.

"Sen. Lautenberg said he would begin to withdraw troops within 90 days," said Pallone, referring to the first issue the candidates discussed in tonight’s debate.

"Andrews said he would keep them in Iraq for a year," Pallone recounted. "As Senator Lautenberg effectively explained tonight, he has been standing up to the Bush Administration and fighting to get our troops out of Iraq, saving health care for New Jersey’s children, preventing drilling off New Jersey's coast and reimbursing military families for body armor they have purchased for loved ones. By contrast, Rob Andrews spent a great deal of time being forced to defend his record of co-authoring the Iraq war resolution and serving as one of Bush's top enablers in getting our nation into Iraq."

From the day Andrews entered the race, the Lautenberg campaign fired one volley after another at his co-sponsorship of the Iraq War resolution, using his support for an unpopular war as the ballast they’re certain can sink his campaign.

Harrison felt that Lautenberg’s backtracking to Iraq in many of his answers to questions about other issues sounded forced, and lacked firepower in the face of Andrews’s precision on multiple subjects.

"He would start off with one issue and then would go to the war, almost as though he was trying to make it seem as though Congressman Andrews and Bush sat down at a bar together and hashed out the country’s Iraq War policy," the political science professor said of Lautenberg.

Even as Lautenberg chopped away at his answers, neither was he surgical in his cross-examination of Andrews, in Harrison’s view.

"There was a moment when Senator Lautenberg asked Congressman Andrews why he had supported changing pension funding requirements and Andrews asked him to cite a specific bill. Lautenberg said, ‘I don’t know.’ It’s never good in a debate when you bring something against someone and then and can’t cite specifics."

Murray argued that in a small turnout Democratic Primary, Andrews’s involvement in the lead-up to the Iraq War will dog him all the way to Election Day. While he sparkled with his answers, he can’t get around the image of himself standing behind Bush at an Iraq War resolution signing ceremony.

"Nothing lines up for Andrews in this race," Murray said. "The only key issue is Iraq, and as far as Democratic Primary voters are concerned, he’s clearly on the wrong side of the issue. The fact that Andrews was photographed with the president is enough to convince voters this guy isn’t the right guy for the U.S. Senate."

In his analysis, Murray returned to his first point which was that based on his skill in the debate - his uncanny ability to connect his vision of policy with real people’s lives - Andrews on a level playing field would be well-positioned come June 3.

But this is not a level playing field with an incumbent like Lautenberg in the race.

In that real context, "Andrews in the end didn’t do what he needed to do, which is explain why Lautenberg needs to be kicked out," Murray said. "You have to unseat an incumbent. Tonight, Lautenberg spoke in platitudes, but the Andrews campaign really needed to point out why voters shouldn’t vote for him other than to point out that he’s old."

Amplifying that point, Murray bemoaned Andrews’s compliment to Lautenberg regarding the senator’s success in securing homeland security funds, arguing that it reinforced the congressman’s failure ultimately to prove why his opponent shouldn’t return to the U.S. Senate.

MAX PIZARRO is a PolitickerNJ.com Reporter and can be reached via email at max@politicsnj.com.

Comments

Lautenberg did a fine job


Lautenberg had a great grasp of issues. Bottom line -- Andrews couldn't explain away why he was a cosponsor of the Iraq War resolution. I also thought he reneged on his pledge not to make the Senator's age an issue. Lautenberg proved that that it didn't matter anyway -- he held his own against the kid and had a solid legislative track record to prove it. Debate goes to Lautenberg.

05/29/08 11:28 pm

Are you insane?


That debate couldn't have gone to Lautenberg in a million years, Lautenberg blatantly lied about his previous positions on Iraq, lied about his profit from his stock in oil companies, and couldn't place a dollar amount to minimum wage.

Lautenberg got righteously slammed for denying his comments on Iraq and his earlier attacks on Fenwick in '82, where he made age an issue.

Andrews and even Cresitello were quick to point out Lautenberg's misrepresentation of the facts. Debate unequivocally goes to Andrews.

05/30/08 8:27 am

Don't "Andrews" me.


Discussing issues at a debate in this primary is useless. Why is Andrews running? This was not answered. Who will Andrews answer to? This was not answered. Would Andrews be trusted by national Democratic leadership if he were to be elected? This was not answered. Please...Primaries are about power. Let's vote. Case closed.

05/30/08 8:34 am

Lautenberg 1, Andrews 0


05/30/08 8:52 am

Since when?


Since when has discussing issues in a primary been useless? Andrews is running for the same reasons Lautenberg is running, to incite some change in Washington. Will Lautenberg answer to his oil stocks? Because he neglected to answer that, and any good Democrat should trust their own party after a campaign. Andrews has done nothing worth holding a grudge over.

05/30/08 9:09 am

Rob Andrews is one of the


Rob Andrews is one of the most articulate candidates I have seen! Andrews blew this one away!

If elected, Rob Andrews will answer to the same people he has answered to for the past 18 years . . . his constituents and the people across this nation who need his leadership. Do you know how many people Rob has helped during his 18 years in Congress? Just ask people in the First District of New Jersey why Rob is running. He is running because he is an excellent candidate with the appropriate combination of intellect and integrity to improve our country.

05/30/08 9:29 am

Dana Redd.


Now more than ever....Dana should be the congressional candidate in the 1st district... When you get to the House or Senate...You figure out how to get things done...or..you get nothing done. Now, there could be an argument that anyone elected to an office should be equal in stature and ability to get bills passed...however that is not the case. Speeches, being articulate, being elected to a lower office are all great qualities...And? Let's vote.

05/30/08 4:41 pm

Dear ScarletStein


If we were looking to hire a "spokesmodel" to glibly speak in ostensibly Democratic platitudes, or a press agent; Andrews is your man.

Yes, he's slick and smart and articulate.

Most con men have all those skills well honed.

The problem with Andrews (aside from the fact that he's to the right on the flag amendment, fencing off Mexico and voted with the Republicans to eliminate the Estate Tax, and that he CO-SPONSORED and cheer-led and co-sold Bush's invasion/occupation/war on Ira) is that he can't be trusted.

He lied to his own colleagues by breaking his word and then filing his nominating petitions at the last minute to preclude the possibility of competition.

Those actions were intentionally, consciously deceptive. In other words; he's a liar.

One thing about Andrews, he doesn't seem like he's the type to be mentally incompetent....he knew exactly what he was doing.

No one would believe that "it slipped his mind" to tell his colleagues that he was backing out of their agreement on the same day he decided to run......which had to have been quite a while before the filing deadline.

Some have speculated that this run was about getting name recognition throughout the state in preparation of a bid for the governorship.

That's a laugh. If this guy can deceive the whole NJ Democratic delegation; imagine what kinds of manipulative whoppers he'll have in store for his less powerful constituents if he ever gets elected to anything again.

The only way Andrews could have "won" this debate is if Lautenberg had totally "lost it" and started drooling on the table.......and even that kind of extreme disabling event would only have resulted in a replacement being appointed by Corzine.

Rob Andrews should apologise for the way he's wasted Democrartic party resources and divided good Democrats against each other in his blindly ambitious pursuit of power.

If three million bucks were to be spent on say, Tom Wyka's campaign in the 11th. Old Rodney Frelinghuysen would be toast in November.

Hell, even 1.5 mil would have achived that result.......with the other 1.5 mil you could get Scott Garrett fired.

This is a year that all manner of things were very possible in NJ. Look at the many thousands of new/young resistrants who came out to vote in the Presidential primary! This crap challenge of Andrews' reduces the chances of great change in the NJ Congressional delegation.

Maybe that's why the three big state bosses, Norcross, Adubato and Ferrirro initially backed Andrews; the LAST thing they want is a reinvigorated dynamic active Democratic party with a couple of hundred thousand new/active voters.

 

If Andrews wins, they win; if he loses they still "win" by dividing the party and burning up resources thereby allowung them to keep their local/regional strangleholds.

These bosses are creatures of the status quo; they like thiings just as they are.

It'll be interesting to see how/if Andews' "star" will rise in the "private sector" after his loss on Tuesday.

I suspect he'll be raking in some big bucks somewhere somehow. The guy has lots and lots of chits to cash in on.

Is Lautenberg perfect? Of course not; but compared to Rob Andrews; Frank Lautenberg is a paragon of virtue and integrity, and he's far far far better than any Republican that'll be on the ballot in November.

 

From Frederick Douglass

If there is no struggle there is no progress......Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.

05/30/08 5:24 pm

Blindness run amok


This was a debate. Donald Cresitello clearly and convincingly destroyed both Andrews and Lautenberg in this debate.

It seems the 'two-party madness' epidemic which has destroyed our democracy has thoroughly infected everyone. The 'horse race mentality', considering only those 'F-R-O-N-T-R-U-N-N-E-R-S' so ordained by the bosses and the press leads to more of the same which leads to more of the same.

'More of the same' is rampant cronyism, corruption, and community disgust with politicians of every stripe.

Great job folks.

05/31/08 3:02 am