February 26, 2008 - 2:58pm
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Baroni prepares to fight governor, if that's what it takes

Unlike a lot of his party brethren who were all but lining up to give Gov. Jon Corzine Statehouse high fives following his speech, State Sen. Bill Baroni (R-Mercer), emerged from the Assembly chamber today worried about Corzine's budget proposal.

"The governor's targeting rank and file public employees," said Baroni, referring to Corzine's preliminary proposal to scrap three state departments and eliminate up to 5,000 public jobs through a combination of layoffs and early retirements.

Baroni said that as long as Corzine is willing to keep 50% of the political patronage jobs on the state payroll, the senator could not support what he sees as Corzine's balancing act on the backs of civil servants. Many state workers live in Baroni's hometown of Hamilton, which is adjacent to Trenton.

"He hasn't detailed where the cuts wil be and refers in his speech only to 'targeted layoffs,'" said Baroni, who warned the governor that unless there are greater reductions in patronage jobs, Corzine "could have a fight on his hands."

The senator said he has been taking phone calls from state employees and concerned constituents in his home district for several days now.

"We're waiitng for the actual document to be delivered," said Baroni, "but I intend to focus on the political patronage jobs."

Max Pizarro is a PolitickerNJ.com Reporter and can be reached via email at max@politicsnj.com.

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Patronage Jobs = New Jersey Politics


This would be a dream come true if patronage jobs fell under the axe first, as unqualified personnel fill most. But, as a realist, we know that this won’t happen because patronage jobs are the tools most politicians use to reward contributors and friends – both Democrats and Republicans.

 

It makes for good political posturing though.

 

Where’s the audit? How can one knowingly cut departments and funding without knowing where the waste is?

02/26/08 3:22 pm

Baroni for Governor


And the campaign begins today.

02/26/08 3:23 pm

yay bill!


Go get em Bill!!

02/26/08 3:23 pm

Leave it to Baroni


The only guy in the legislature running to the LEFT of Corzine.

02/26/08 3:26 pm

The Campaign for Governor...


Ends today if its center and core is protecting the public employee union. 

02/26/08 3:29 pm

You Should Read What He Said


Baroni essentialy said that every patronage job should be cut before any other. That makes perfect sense.

02/26/08 3:32 pm

Nice Move


Good to see "Union" Bill Baroni standing up for those he is beholden to; the Unions.

"The governor's targeting rank and file public employees," said Baroni, referring to Corzine's preliminary proposal to scrap three state departments and eliminate up to 5,000 public jobs through a combination of layoffs and early retirements.

Leave it to a New Jersey Republican to be the one who rises up and FIGHTS a Democrat Governor on cutting Government !!!

Go "Union" Bill, Go!!

02/26/08 3:35 pm

Baroni and Carla?


Given that much, if not most, of the cost of government runs in the form of salaries to workers, ANY cuts in government will result in fewer employees.  And since we have far too many employees doing far too many things, cutting a few thousand of them is an unqualified blessing to the taxpayers.  While these bureaucrats may be hard working, dedicated employees, we simply can't afford them.

 And it appears that we can't afford Baroni, either.  He's a guy striving to be the GOP's next Lincoln Chafee.

 Union folks have their representatives at the bargaining table; the taxpayers should be represented in the Legislature.  Baroni is clearly starting his term as Senator on the left foot.

02/26/08 3:36 pm

Baroni


It will be a great day for the NJGOP when Baroni crushes Lonegan in the primary and then goes on to beat Corzine in November.

02/26/08 3:39 pm

Lonegan Can't Win


Besides coming from a town that is smaller than my college campus, the average person won't be able to identify with Lonegan because of his many run ins with the law. He loses to Corzine, or any other Dem, by 20 points.

02/26/08 3:42 pm

Baroni


And I guess Baroni wins by voting like a Democrat but not being a Democrat, huh ?

If he challenges Corzine, I wonder if it will be in a Democrat primary or a General Election .... hmmmmm 

02/26/08 3:44 pm

Purity


Covservatives should stop worrying about idelogical purity until the NJGOP is in the majority. Until then, lets find the person who is, hypothetically, 80% pure and can win. Forget about the person who is 100% and will get about just as many votes.

02/26/08 3:52 pm

Billy, don't be a hero


Billy, don't be a hero, don't be a fool with your political life. 

If Bo Donaldson and the Haywoods were here today, they'd be belting out this singular smash hit to public sector softy Bill Baroni.

But, alas, they're not.  So I'll say it, Bill.  If you take the position that public sector jobs/union jobs are off limits in going about restructuring NJ government, then you have sold out taxpayers for a perceived base that will never put you in the Governor's office.  Trust me, they'll take a Dem any day over you and we the overtaxed masses will turn our back on you faster than you can say Eugene V. Debbs.  Think this one through.  Commit to reducing the public sector at the very least through stringent use of attrition.  If you kiss the collective backside of the public employees unions, you will end up sending blast e-mails to disinterested former supporters as you strain to regain some semblance of political relevance - see Bret Schundler.

Then again, you could always become a Dem.  That would earn you kind words from Martin One and maybe even a beer at his favorite pub. 

02/26/08 3:53 pm

its about Hamilton!


He has to be pro-Public Employees.  He lives in Hamilton, which is pretty much all public employees.  He has to at least nominally be against layoffs. 

We'll see how hard he actually fights them.  Hard to be a fiscal conservative and oppose these layoffs though.

02/26/08 3:53 pm

Unions


Bill didn't say that he was opposed to laying off union workers. He said the patronage employees should be layed off first.

02/26/08 4:03 pm

Judging by these comments..


Senator Baroni is sure generating a lot of interest in what he does these days..

By the way, is anyone opposed to cutting all political patronage jobs first and foremost?

 

02/26/08 4:04 pm

I'm opposed to any


I'm opposed to any politician, especially a Republican, taking an unrealistic and self-serving stance when our State teeters at the edge of a fiscal abyss that will force me to move 20 miles west to PA because I can no longer afford to live here.  Baroni should have made clear that ALL options are on the table and there are no sacred cows.  Cutting 50% of political patronage is a start, but it will not even put a scratch on the budgetary leviathan the next Governor needs to slay. 

Does Baroni have the stones to confront the teacher's union?  How about taking on the Abbott funding debacle?  From what he said today, it looks like he's chosen the expedient over the exigent.  Who's not against cutting political patronage?  That's like saying you love puppies, kids and the American way.  Not exactly a portrait in courage.   

02/26/08 4:22 pm

If Bill has statewide ambitions,


which he obviously does, than this will come back to bite him.  In the choice between Democrat and Democrat light, the choice will be Democrat.

However, at the end of the day, Bill is elected by the people of the fightin' 14th and this district, specifically Hamilton (Bill's base), is home to a large amount of state workers.  Bill has been elected to represent the interests of these people (America is a democratic republic i.e. representative democracy after all).  So naturally, when Mr. Corzine mentions laying off upwards of 5,000 state workers, Bill is going to have to step in.

I agree with Marty Two and the rest that this is a slippery slope for him, but again he has to defend his constituents.

02/26/08 8:03 pm

Fun Fact of the Day


You can say whatever you want, but as is it looks as though Steve Lonegan and Bill Baroni are both opposed to the budget, so really it's pointless to get stuck in the details of why they oppose it. Of course Lonegan will continue to oppose it and it's easier for him since he does not have to vote on the manner and they can't hit him on a vote for saying he voted against cuts, it's a little bit harder for those with statewide ambitions on the Republican side to vote no.

So yes, Baroni is representating his district here, but the fact of the matter is anyone can come up with a variety of reasons to oppose  the budget, it traditionally goes party lines, although this year might be interesting. As far as a slippery slope goes, I haven't read anywhere that Baroni is considering a statewide run anytime soon, so it's more or less a few of us on here theorizing.

The whole Democrat, Democrat-lite thing makes no sense. Come on Republikyle, you should know that being as I assume from previous posts that your from Hamilton. You know how independent people are, ideologies mean very  little to the mass group of independents and swing voters of this state, and they decide elections. People want someone who's actually going to possibly cut taxes or at the very least make this state affordable and clean up the filth in Trenton, they could care less if he's a moderate republican, only the wingnuts will be stewing and as we all saw in the Republcian presidential primary election their efforts to elect Romney were futile, especially in this state.

The problem with people so entrenched in their ideologies is that they become so stubborn to accept the fact that there are some states where they just don't have a majority. Their needs to be some point where logic sets in, but of course one could always ignore that logic and keep pushing for what they want to see.

I rarely agree 100% with what every Republican does, including the one's I like the most. But I'm not stubborn enough to be so ignorant to believe that my ideology or positions are always the right ones or always what wins election. I'm not suggesting people sacrifice their positions or ideologies all the time, I'm just saying people have to be logical at some points and realistic and play the hand their dealt. The only way a Republican wins this state is if they can appeal to the independents and get some crossover voters along the way. Who exactly can appeal to these independents is not for me to decide, but it's clear Baroni has a record of doing just that.

02/27/08 2:15 am

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Martin - Please just Shut the H_ _ _ Up you pompous Moron.............

02/26/08 9:44 pm

Thoughtful commentary as usual from ...


PolitickerNJ's resident village idiot, AKA "MadMax".

This is the same tater-tot who posted that he was "proud to support Christie Whitman", then blathers on about how he is a true "Conservative- Christian-Republican".  So Max, what were you most proud of when it came to Christie - her profligate spending? Her pension raiding forcing billions in borrowing?  Her pro-abortion stance?  Her left wing appointments to the NJ Supreme Court? 

What a joke you are.  Get back on the little yellow bus and take your meds before you burst a blood vessel.

02/26/08 11:10 pm

Baroni Fights for Constituents


Regardless of whether Senator Baroni's stance helps or hurts him in a statewide race, one has to applaud him for standing up for the interests of his constituents.  The Fourteenth District has the largest concentration of state workers of all legislative districts in New Jersey.

 

Bill is standing up for the jobs of his people.

02/27/08 4:47 am

patronage jobs



Maybe Bill should just ask the people that will be getting laid off who and where they are - the Political Hack's I mean, that will surely be moved to other Sacred Cows.

Just look at Commerce……………

02/27/08 7:25 am

ESedler, I am not an


ideologue by any means but I do have my convictions (Ron Paul: "We didn't stop being compassionate, we stopped being conservative" from his CPAC speech). 

We win when we stick to party principles, just look at the anguish over McCain nationally with the conservative base.

But it is part of the political discourse to believe in something and stand up for it.  I'm not going to stop supporting Bill because of his position on this; it is the fundamental beauty of American politics that we can have this discussion and debate in the marketplace of ideas.

Which leads to this: I believe there is a Reagan quote along the lines of "just because someone is with you 80% of the time doesn't mean they are your enemy 20% of the time."

I applaud Bill for standing up for what he believes, but from the past few statewide elections, we have seen what happens when we sacrifice our party principles.  Forrester was beating Toricelli badly because of his ethical woes, not because he was a principled republican.  He never distinguished himself from Corzine in 2005, and if you ask a number of New Jerseyians, or republicans for that matter, they will not be able to tell you what Tom Kean Jr. stood for in 2006 other than lambasting Menendez on his ethical lapses (if you don't believe this, ask Sen. Pennacchio and he will say the same thing).

Honestly, I don't know what the solution for our party is but it seems to me that we have failed in the past when running moderately.  Perhaps we could attract the independents and undecided voters when we offer a distinct choice and difference to the democrats.

02/27/08 1:33 pm

One of my favorite poems


growing up was 'the sky is grey' and essentially is says that there is no black and white solution to life's vexing problems. Yes, saying all patronage jobs have to go sounds like a great soundbite but its silly in its application. Some of these positions are called patronage but have real merit, some are superfluous. This can only be determine by a audit by a disinterrested company.  Know of any of those?  They all contribute.  Look at Baroni's elec report and you'll see what I mean. I'm sure this is a well meaning fellow who's trying to protect his contituents but needs to be straight with himself and them first. What he's proposing sounds great in a group rally or on the stump used the next day as a headline but beyond that it just plain don't work.

02/27/08 6:19 pm

How Many Patronage Jobs Are We Talking About


I think everyone would agree that the Governor has a right to appoint people who will carry out his agenda, so after removing those people how many jobs are we talking about 200?

The alternative to the "political patronage" jobs would be to have Civil Servants carryout the Governor's policies, everything in triplicate and if it isn't right you go to the back of the line and start over. - I think not.

Baroni's statement made good press but I think it is a hollow threat given what I believe (I don't know how many patronage jobs there are) is the small number of jobs.  If we find out that it is really 50 jobs and he is made to look like a fool, expect Baroni to blame it on his STAFFER

Max - Ask Baroni how many jobs we are talking about.

02/27/08 6:57 pm